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  • Wilbur RedmanWilbur Redman Posts: 433 Pool Pro
    edited May 20
    JJoe wrote: »
    Wilbur wrote: »
    @jjoe would love to play but , I could not get use to playing on desk top (I am Assuming that is what you are referring to). If you ever want to play a match or 2 on mobile just let me know. Would love to play. :smiley:

    Yeah I'd be up for that, when can you play? :)

    I'm free after 9pm gmt most nights

    @jjoe, 9 pm your time is 4 pm my time. I will send a challenge at that time. Maybe play a race to 5? What style play would you like to play?

    Also if today is not good let me know what day is best for you and I will work with that. :smiley:
  • JJoeJJoe OLD PC/MOBILE Posts: 958 Pool Expert
    Wilbur wrote: »
    JJoe wrote: »
    Wilbur wrote: »
    @jjoe would love to play but , I could not get use to playing on desk top (I am Assuming that is what you are referring to). If you ever want to play a match or 2 on mobile just let me know. Would love to play. :smiley:

    Yeah I'd be up for that, when can you play? :)

    I'm free after 9pm gmt most nights

    @jjoe, 9 pm your time is 4 pm my time. I will send a challenge at that time. Maybe play a race to 5? What style play would you like to play?

    Also if today is not good let me know what day is best for you and I will work with that. :smiley:

    Yeah that's good for me! Send me a challenge at 9 :) I should come up by just searching 'JJoe' right? I'll also search your name too
  • Wilbur RedmanWilbur Redman Posts: 433 Pool Pro
    I have you on my friends list. :smiley:
  • JJoeJJoe OLD PC/MOBILE Posts: 958 Pool Expert
    Wilbur wrote: »
    I have you on my friends list. :smiley:

    Free now pal
  • VijayGunnersVijayGunners Posts: 880 Pool Expert
    @Wilbur @JJoe will be on soon if either of you are still about
  • Wilbur RedmanWilbur Redman Posts: 433 Pool Pro
    @VijayGunners , @JJoe and I just finish a good match. I will up load shortly. Have to fix supper for my wife now. Can play later 8 pm central time for me if you can play then. :smiley:
  • Wilbur RedmanWilbur Redman Posts: 433 Pool Pro
    @JJoe thanks for a playing and good match! Look forward to playing again soon!!! I will up load vedio shortly.
  • Nineballina GeNineballina Ge Posts: 593 Pool Expert
    odlllbo wrote: »
    Cheers @Nineballina Ge :)
    At the risk of bragging my favourite shot of the match was at 2:30. Sorted two problems at once (or feed two birds with one scone :D )

    was unlucky not to break them up the shot before tbh, that might've been one for the what would you do next thread but then you'd have to do your own analysis lol

    you shouldve taken a pic of it just to see if anyone came up with your shot, tbh i looked at it again a couple of times and there's still 2 or 3 other options i'd have taken before seeing that shot, so even having seen it in practice i' still not coming up with it as a solution :D it worked out pretty well as well :#

    when you're playing well the cannons and little nudges seem to fall "how they should", what's the saying, the harder you practice, the luckier you get, i dunno why but it seems to be true, if i'm playing terribly, which is usually lol, then 100% the cannon will put the white on the 5% of the table where i cant see the next ball, until i started playing this in the last few months, never thought about the results orientated part of cannons, shots being + or - ev, and, definitely where i struggle, being results orientated, abut a cannon for instance, i suppose in the real world you knock the balls around on a table then have a few beers, i am liking the theoretical side of it though, might improve my live game
  • Nineballina GeNineballina Ge Posts: 593 Pool Expert
    @Nineballina Ge Hi can I get your unique ID? I’m always looking to play new players from here.
    Mine is 1144135239 :)

    have added you and sent a request mate :)
  • Wilbur RedmanWilbur Redman Posts: 433 Pool Pro
    Vedio of match, jjoe vs Wilbur , forgot to start record so first game is
    Mid way
  • Wilbur RedmanWilbur Redman Posts: 433 Pool Pro
    @Nineballina Ge Hi can I get your unique ID? I’m always looking to play new players from here.
    Mine is 1144135239 :)

    have added you and sent a request mate :)

    Record and post !? :smiley:
  • Wilbur RedmanWilbur Redman Posts: 433 Pool Pro
    Have to share! Named vedio "love it when they talk trash" :smiley:

  • odlllboodlllbo Posts: 440 Pool Pro
    odlllbo wrote: »
    Cheers @Nineballina Ge :)
    At the risk of bragging my favourite shot of the match was at 2:30. Sorted two problems at once (or feed two birds with one scone :D )

    was unlucky not to break them up the shot before tbh, that might've been one for the what would you do next thread but then you'd have to do your own analysis lol

    you shouldve taken a pic of it just to see if anyone came up with your shot, tbh i looked at it again a couple of times and there's still 2 or 3 other options i'd have taken before seeing that shot, so even having seen it in practice i' still not coming up with it as a solution :D it worked out pretty well as well :#

    when you're playing well the cannons and little nudges seem to fall "how they should", what's the saying, the harder you practice, the luckier you get, i dunno why but it seems to be true, if i'm playing terribly, which is usually lol, then 100% the cannon will put the white on the 5% of the table where i cant see the next ball, until i started playing this in the last few months, never thought about the results orientated part of cannons, shots being + or - ev, and, definitely where i struggle, being results orientated, abut a cannon for instance, i suppose in the real world you knock the balls around on a table then have a few beers, i am liking the theoretical side of it though, might improve my live game

    @Nineballina Ge I like the theoretical side of the game too and would agree it def helps with the live game. Think live pool is a lot about getting into a rhythm to play ur best and if you've done the theory work off the table it's much easier to make quick decisions at the table and easier to stay in rhythm. Much like poker:)

    Think u mentioned u played poker for a living in another thread. I'm nowhere near your level in poker but I think we approach pool spots in that same way in terms of looking for max ev and optimal ranges. Think this approach is helpful to be less results oriented. If the goal is to try and play the best shot in every spot as opposed to just focusing on winning that game (or pot:) that makes a more productive motivation for playing imo and will reduce tilt and frustration during downswings.

    Good thing about playing a lot of poker hands is u get a better sense of how brutal variance can be and that getting unlucky 20 times in a row is gonna happen if u play long enough. This is what I try to remind myself of when the bad rolls just keep coming but that's easier said than done when ur in the thick of it ofc :)

    Another interesting parallel between the games is how earlier decisions affect later ones. For instance playing a lower percentage shot early on in the rack to solve a problem and improve our overall chances of winning the game. Like making a more risky move on the flop to give an advantage on later streets. I'm sure there are many other good parallels I can't think of atm.

    I know the poker strat threads on 2plus2 are very helpful to people learning the game so maybe the wwyd threads on here can provide the same function in a small way to those interested in the theory side of the game :)
  • Nineballina GeNineballina Ge Posts: 593 Pool Expert
    @odlllbo yeah i used to, a good while ago now though, over 10 years ago, did it for a couple of years, earned a few pennies and it kept a roof over my head, so nothing special, but this was 05/06 when online poker was still ridic easily beatable, probably didn't have anything to do with me be any good tbh, everyone else back then was just pretty terrible lol

    i havent played any live pool this year yet since finding this game, and having gotten a few k matches under my belt i'd be interested to see if it changes the way i play live

    although i'm sure this game is probably more similar to online poker than live pool is to live poker, really dont do the poker thing anymore but was reading a while ago that someone said HUNLHE was close to be "solved" which is funny for a bit of a more old skool player like me to hear, but might be true, even anticipating different scenarios down different streets, and maybe having no info on oppo their might be an undeniable +ev way of playing every hand in hunlhe, live i think there's a lot more to it, people do a lot more crazy stuff, get bored easier and play worse, so there's always the human element, where i imagine there's an algorithm that could play the "perfect" shot in online 8bp, the absolute optimum shot for any given situation, which tbh like poker for me, might be +ev but kinda takes the fun out of the game, both poker and pool, especially if you're a recreational player you kinda dont want it to be "solved"

    live pool you've got the pressure of the match, spectators, just the human and mental aspect of the game, similar to poker, so i suppose there's a lot to learn from talking about the theory of the game, i worry though that the programmers could just come on to the thread if they wanted with a "perfect" solution to each shot/scenario we could come up with in what's supposed to be a beautifully imperfect game

    i think talking of the parallels between the two games i think like u said, having a plan is important, doing something on the flop or pre flop that commits 35% of your stack to the pot without any idea what line you're taking or thinking of other streets, however much of a good idea it seems or feels like at the time, is hugely - ev, and i think in the long term if you just knock the balls all over the place and hope everything will work out well without thinking about the latter part of the game will not work out great long term, although strangely i think i tend to leave cannons, in real life, to a bit later on, but from reading the wwyd thread, thats something that i've changed, and mostly from what you've said looked to take care of earlier rather than later

    the variance of cannons is scarily similar and i have convinced myself, similar to back in the day on full tilt, that mc has a doom switch too lol, probably the best poker book i ever read was one of br management and dealing with/understanding variance, i still tilted pretty hard, and like you say in the moment its hard not to think about how bad you're running, but that book let me not take how bad i'd ran to bed with me at night, made it easier to let go, and i know a lot of pro players, far better than me that went busto just not being able to deal with variance, i'm not sure i'll never let the mc gods tilt me so bad that i stay awake at night thinking about a missed double or how i couldve played a clearance a bit better :D
  • odlllboodlllbo Posts: 440 Pool Pro
    Hope this convo isn't too much of a thread derail :# still kinda pool related :)

    @Nineballina Ge ahh yeah 05/06 was the heyday. How great would it be to travel back to 03 with the poker knowledge available today and just destroy the games :). I got into poker a bit around 09 back when the games were still beatable but getting tougher quick. Would run up a bit at the micros then tilt it off at the small stakes lol. I figured if I could outplay the fish on 'High Stakes Poker' (Gabe Kaplan still my fave) I must be able to beat the small stakes online :D. Just didn't appreciate the level that the regs were playing at and had no brm. At least the micros are a cheap way to pick up the game, I think 25/50 cent on full tilt was legit tougher than the 2/4 live games around the city.

    The game is pretty close to being solved from what I hear and the top poker ai can beat the top pros now. With solvers, bots, and collusion I'd imagine it's very tough to make money online these days. Still a lot of fun to be had at the live tables tho I don't play much anymore myself.

    Id agree getting too focused on the theory can take a bit of the fun out of the game. Think it's all about balance. There's chess solving programs that can tell u the optimal move in each spot but I def wouldn't want to be using that in the middle of a match. Magnus Carlson says he looks at these just as a training aid to help improve his game. In 8ball pool I admit it would be pretty cool to see the optimal play for each shot, at least as a training aid, but having it available at all times may take a bit of the fun and mystery out of the process.

    I enjoy the theory aspect of the game just for its own sake but my favourite thing about pool is when you're fully in stroke and playing by pure feel. When the strategy and positional theory has worked it's way into your subconscious and everything is just happening automatically. It's like the shots and setups are already made before u get down on the shot and u just need to tap into the rythym and enjoy the ride :)

  • Nineballina GeNineballina Ge Posts: 593 Pool Expert
    haha yeah we'll try not to derail the thread anymore :#

    i got back into it at the end of 09 and was very different to when i started online in 05 (come from a gambling background so played live, casinos, private games etc for as long as i can remember before that, but just for fun so had been playing for ages, but saw people making a living at it who i knew on this new weird thing that had emerged called the interwebs and thought i'd give it a crack :) ) and tbh i noticed a massive difference in the skill level of the recreational player to what it was a few years ago

    it really had condensed, i think as the internet grew, not just did all the tools available for online players to use, HUD, poker tracker, stove, etc, but i think the resources and info became far for available, tutorial vids, the growth of 2p2, phil galfond and his run it once, or twice lol i cant remember now but i know it was supposed to be very innovative at the time for people that wanted to utilise it, so coming into the game, i suppose as a newbie in 04 if you didnt have much of a background in the game there wasnt that much out there, other than paper books, to help people improve, but skip forward 6-7 years and so so much out there

    and my mate staked me to play again, i'd had nearly two years off and all of a sudden 3-4 tabling 25/50 or 50/1 was very very difficult, the gap between the "good" and "bad" players had hugely condensed, i was still an ok player but whatever edge i had was far smaller, it was a grind, a lot harder, my ROI% after a huge size sample of hands was far smaller than it used to be, i remember my mate, someone who got it all right back in the 03 and onwards days, really did scoop the lot and just travels now, posting on instagram doing nothing but skiing and golf lol mbn! i always remember him saying everyone would just be passing the money around online in the end and just playing for rake, i think it happened far quicker that even he anticipated

    i havent played in a while now but like HUPLO when i do have a dabble, it reminds me of non calling pockets 9ball if that makes sense, super high variance need hugh amounts of run good serves the purpose of a rec player like me negating the skill edge of pro playing icm poker over 5-6 hu tables, im still a bit of a quick fix action junkie whether its 8bp or poker lol

    most live games are much easier than a standard o.25/50 stars full ring table, in london the 1/2 and 2/5 tables where i play are still super soft and i do get what you mean about thinking you can beat the pros watching HSP, i would LOVE to play against benyamine, hanson, libertaire (sp) the cirque du soleil dude? and jammie gold and sammy farah than a standard stars mid or low level full ring game, that really is swimming with the sharks mate, probably wouldve been better off playing some HU, although with no rake back deal then online HU is unbeatable long term these days at lower levels, which makes sense, or jump to a 1/2 table? but year the 0.25/50 tables were a tough nut to crack on stars and tilt when the ability gap got smaller, maybe play some multi's? you need to run good obv and even playing for fun can be crushing to bubble after 4 hours lol, but better than building up a roll at micros then getting mullard by, i used to imagine them looking like doc brown in back to the future, remember when marty first comes back and he's wearing that massive mind reading device, that how i pictured all the "bots" playing indoors lol

    deffo turned into a tough gig in the end, but yes knowing what i know now if i could go back to 03 pretty sure i wouldnt have to be going to meetings, being in an office, travelling to and from work etc ever again but i learned a lot about not just poker, but life, and probably had to go through a lot of it to learn it, i was reasonably young for the money i had and was earning, and obv at that age you think its so "easy" and will never end lol, but i enjoyed it :) i was just about to reply to the chess overlapping with pool, pool theory etc but thats a whole other post and just realized how much i rambled on again :D
  • JJoeJJoe OLD PC/MOBILE Posts: 958 Pool Expert
    Wilbur wrote: »
    Vedio of match, jjoe vs Wilbur , forgot to start record so first game is
    Mid way

    Thanks for games! Look forward to playing again sometime!

    ________________


    Anyway - I'm gonna uninstall MC pool for the next two week or so, quite busy and also need to free up space on my phone briefly. Will be back on mobile in about 2 week

    Will still be on old PC a bit tho
  • Wilbur RedmanWilbur Redman Posts: 433 Pool Pro
    @JJoe I do think I had advantage playing on moble. If we would have played pc it would have been you 7 an me maybe 1. :smiley:

    again thank you for the match. Hope we play again soon. :smile:
  • odlllboodlllbo Posts: 440 Pool Pro
    @Nineballina Ge Sounds like your mate played it just right, made lots of money when the getting was good and now living off the interest :) the game has progressed so much I hear even Ivey is a spot at the high stakes tables online now. Who woulda thought. I miss the times when ud find tables with multiple players who would just limp call from early position and never raise without the nuts. I'd guess those players are harder to come by now lol

    Tv poker was fun to watch too with the hole cams. Was cool to see the old live pros clash with the online stars on shows like hsp. Remember when Negraneau thought he was the best in the world and online was overhyped? Then accepted a long challenge from some random midstakes reg convinced he would crush him and disprove the doubters :D. Think he came around eventually but I'm pretty sure Hellmuth is still convinced hes the best lol

    Yeah was a good poker scene back then. Hope pool can have some sort of resurgance like it did in the 80s or get even a mini version of the poker boom in the 00s. Would be nice to see the best pool players in the world able to make a half decent living. Maybe we just need a sequel to The Color of Money to remind people about pool with Tom Cruise in the Paul Newman role :smiley: I'll get started on the screenplay now... :D
  • JJoeJJoe OLD PC/MOBILE Posts: 958 Pool Expert
    Wilbur wrote: »
    @JJoe I do think I had advantage playing on moble. If we would have played pc it would have been you 7 an me maybe 1. :smiley:

    again thank you for the match. Hope we play again soon. :smile:

    Aha thanks, would you ever play on PC or?

    The amount of errors I made in that match just after I made a decent shot were so weird :D
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